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Patch Comments: 'If You Build It, They Will Come'

The publication of gun permit owners' names and the death of a homeless man are just some of the topics that got Hudson Valley Patch users talking on the comments board last week.

Should You Know Which Homes Have Guns? [POLL]

"Lost in the emotional outcry is that fact that the map published by the Journal News/Lohud.com does not identify gun owners. It only identifies handgun permit holders. Consequently it does not identify what guns are kept at any particular address, or how many. And since permits are not required for rifles or shotguns, the map provides no information about ownership of them at all. Naturally the map also doesn't show the names of people who own handguns without the required permits. So: want to know who in your neighborhood has guns in their house? The map won't help very much with that. I think gun permit info should be public, but I also understand the objection by some permit holders that the map is equivalent to having a scarlet letter painted on them when they've done nothing wrong and have complied with the law." -- Nick Richards

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"What's good for the goose is good for the gander. How is it shameful to "publish" their information which is readily available." -- Jaques Strape

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"This is an invaluable marketing tool for criminals. Now they know exactly which houses are safe to break into. I can't see why anyone who doesn't have a gun would want this information public." -- Steve Wilder

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"Terrible idea to publicly display law abiding people's addresses this way. What a breach of privacy! Even if names aren't used! They are not child molesters or sex offenders. Shame on the Journal News for scaremongering. The ultimate responsibility lies with parents. We have to ask when our children play somewhere if there are guns and how are they secured. A visit to your child's playmate's home for assurances is the best way to protect your child. Or your adult friends' homes too! And by the way, Having a pistol license does not mean a person actually owns a pistol. And a final thought, with the question about banning assault weapons, which I think is a great idea, let's not forget that when George Washington drafted the second amendment to include the right to bear arms for a well organized militia, that the guns of that day were muzzle loaded, black powder weapons.... Nothing like what's out there today. So, yes, we should all have the right to bear muzzle loaded, black powder guns.... And keep them locked away from kids too." -- pauline schneider

"Dear Liz and Stephen, it was wonderful to see your story told of taking tragedy and doing the only thing you can with it- make other lives better. Mary Cain" -- mary cain

Homeless Man Found Dead in Memorial Park

"I agree with Patricia, this is not an isolated tragedy. The SDA Church at the corner of Hudson and Broadway gives a hot lunch and groceries to many of Nyacks homeless every Tuesday. The village citizens must help the Mayor to secure a shelter, especially during the winter months." -- Richard Lugrezia

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"Yes, lets build a shelter, so that Nyack becomes a magnet for even more homeless, and other communities have a place to dump their homeless, If you build it, they will come, buy the scores." -- INTHEKNOW

Rye Officials Unanimously Support Pending Sustainable Playland Agreement

"Of course Rye likes it...Sustainable Playland is removing most of the rides and making it a more passive park and will reduce attendance and traffic." -- ArTDecoPlayLand

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"Sustainable Playland is anything but. It will destroy the character of the park by building a massive for-profit sports facility while removing enough rides to make the amusement park unsustainable. The fact is that if more people in Rye understood the impact of this plan, they would not support it." -- Summer

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The Journal News has fielded many calls, emails, questions and comments since the report's publication. Go here to read the FAQ it published in response.

Bob Zahm December 30, 2012 at 03:37 AM
@Stewie - big difference between gun permits and what you buy at the liquor store. Now if you'd said something along the lines of asking for publication of the name address of all DWI offenders, I'd be in agreement with you. There are too many repeat offenders and killers behind the wheel causing death by drunk driving.
Full Truth December 30, 2012 at 04:51 AM
If you are going to print so called "news" print it all. Media Quiet About San Antonio Theater Shooting Saturday, December 29, 2012 7:16 Share 0 (Before It's News) On Sunday December 17, 2012, 2 days after the CT shooting, a man went to a restaurant in San Antonio to kill his X-girlfriend. After he shot her, most of the people in the restaurant fled next door to a theater. The gunman followed them and entered the theater so he could shoot more people. He started shooting and people in the theater started running and screaming. It’s like the Aurora, CO theater story plus a restaurant! Now aren’t you wondering why this isn’t a lead story in the national media along with the school shooting? There was an off duty county deputy at the theater. SHE pulled out her gun and shot the man 4 times before he had a chance to kill anyone. So since this story makes the point that the best thing to stop a bad person with a gun is a good person with a gun, the media is treating it like it never happened. Only the local media covered it. The city is giving her a medal next week. Just thought you’d like to know. Source Agenda revealed! If you had any doubts that the media was pushing for this and who their masters were, doubt no longer. This is spooky. Alot of what you read in the ‘conspiracy world’ is bull but there IS alot of truth too.. You just have to sort out the facts yourself. -Mort
JJ December 30, 2012 at 11:31 AM
ACCORDING TO YAHOO NEWS.... NEW YORK (Reuters) - A suburban New York newspaper that sparked an uproar among gun enthusiasts by publishing names and addresses of residents holding pistol permits is now planning to publish even more identities of permit-toting locals. Further names and addresses will be added as they become available to a map originally published on December 24 in the White Plains, New York-based Journal News, the newspaper said. The original map listed thousands of pistol permit holders in suburban Westchester and Rockland counties just north of New York City. Along with an article entitled "The gun owner next door: What you don't know about the weapons in your neighborhood," the map was compiled in response to the December 14 shooting deaths of 26 children and adults in Newtown, Connecticut, editors of the Gannett Corp.-owned newspaper said. The next batch of names will be permit holders in suburban Putnam County, New York, where the county clerk told the newspaper it is still compiling information.
Miguel Hernandez December 30, 2012 at 12:51 PM
Am wondering about LoHud's intent was regarding publication of the names of those with gun permits. What would this accomplish? In other words what is their justification. I may or may not agree with it but I need to know the rationale for this. How does the public benefit from the revelation of this information? And is this benefit such that general quality of life is impacted, positively or negatively? What is the communal value? Does this information have a higher social purpose and if so, what is it? The statement about "the public's right to know" is very broad, so is there a line between the "right to know and the right information to know?
Angel125 December 30, 2012 at 01:43 PM
That is just to funny!
Aidan December 30, 2012 at 02:03 PM
Excellent. But your logic will be whipped to death.
Aidan December 30, 2012 at 02:11 PM
The media are whores? Coulda fooled me.
Aidan December 30, 2012 at 02:14 PM
Thanks for your genius.
Mary Koshak December 30, 2012 at 03:54 PM
She was an off duty county deputy and not just any armed person. She needs a gun as part of her job. Not everyone needs to be armed.
Ann Fanizzi December 30, 2012 at 04:38 PM
Patch published this but did anyone else. Good guy with gun available, got hot under the collar and in a dispute went for it. Police & Fire Cops: Man Pulled Gun During Dispute at Route 22 Gas Station, Aug. 14, 2012 verbal dispute that turned physical—and involved a .38-caliber revolver—led to a brief pursuit on Route 22 Sunday night, police say. Police say the fight started when the complainant, who was attempting to use his cell phone while stopping for cigarettes, asked Zeoli, who was at the pump, to lower the music playing in his vehicle. The two reportedly exchanged words, and threats. During the course of the argument, Zeoli allegedly pulled out the revolver and pointed it at the complainant. A struggle ensued, which resulted in one man sustaining a black eye, and the other bruising. Neither was hospitalized. Both left before troopers arrived, according to police. They pursued Zeoli as he headed south on Route 22, and stopped him just north of Interstate 684. Zeoli is facing two misdemeanors: third-degree assault and second-degree menacing with a weapon. Police say he is licensed to carry a gun. Officials released the defendant, pending a future appearance in Southeast Justice Court. The investigation is continuing, according to authorities.
amerpatriot December 30, 2012 at 05:36 PM
Responsibility. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. The Journal News Editor-In-Chief was completely irresponsible. I consider her actions and those of the newspaper to be an act of aggression and an act of terrorism against the public trust, since no good whatsoever could be extrapolated from that outing. Mass hysteria and demonizing American citizens is the work of Al Kaida.
amerpatriot December 30, 2012 at 05:44 PM
LoHud's intent was to sell more newspapers, get more recognition, make more noise in a way that will attract eyeballs to their newspapers and websites. That is their product. Viewers and readers. That's where their money comes from. Advertisers. They will use any questionable, greedy, disgusting way to accomplish their self-serving intentions. Just another rag to clean the windows with.
Rods December 30, 2012 at 06:44 PM
most stuff journal news prints is available on Internet (they printed it for revenue purposes). just gotta look for it. here is link to names of NY Pistol owners in 2010 in alpa order. http://www.paladium.net/usa-farnewyorkstate0000PistolPermit2010Jun_01.php
Bernie December 30, 2012 at 07:32 PM
I have a pistol permit. I went thru the County Sheriff Department, The Department of Mental Health, State of NY, department of ciminal justice, fingerprint check, and four personal references. Then waited a few months to get the pistol that I purchased, after training. How many Newspaper Reporter that print this type of information go thru the same. Also print how many ar save by gun owner that have prevented muggings rape and murder....ENOUGH. Also go see the movie Red Dawn with Patrick Swazy.
BooBees December 30, 2012 at 07:42 PM
A: Is that a picture of Inigo Montoya from The Princess Bride? I am not a movie buff, but that's a great movie. A total sleeper.
Bernie December 30, 2012 at 08:06 PM
NO! were a foreign country attacked the US and the PEOPLE protected the US
StormsOnTheirHorizons... December 30, 2012 at 09:52 PM
FREEDOM AD...Are people just becoming too deliberately hostile, loud, violent, overbearing, insulting, arrogant, obnoxious, perverted, corrupt, uncaring, scarey, prying, uncontrolable, and unconscionable, etc. ?!!!! You won't need a pistol permit to; "...HIT THEM WHERE IT HURTS..." JUST BOYCOTT THEIR PRODUCTS AND BUSINESSES, PETITION THEM OUT OF THEIR POSITIONS, START INDIVIDUAL AND CLASS ACTION LAWSUITS THAT PROVE THEIR INTENTIONS TO ALARM AND/OR HARM, AND COMPLAIN ABOUT THEM TO NUMEROUS GOVERNMENT, LAW ENFORCEMENT, PATRIOTIC FREE PRESS, AND CITIZEN AND CONSUMER ADVOCATE AGENCIES...BOYCOTT! BOYCOTT! BOYCOTT! UNTIL YOU PUT THEM OUTTAH THEIR MONKEYING BUSINESS...
Aidan December 30, 2012 at 09:55 PM
Yup, Boobees ... that's Inigo. And it's a classic flick. Great writing.
Bernie December 31, 2012 at 01:43 AM
Storms, Thank you, a real answer with meaning. It seems that most answers need an APP for that. Boycott does work in other countries,why? not here. Just as the First amendment works? so shoud the second. I agree there is no need for massive arms, but that is why we have laws. Golf, fishing,target shooting,a nd in some cases shopping are our riights. We also can drive a car, and go to a bar.....Some of these KILL. STOP, children were kiiled, children are hit with cars, some with drunk drivers, and some with mental problems. Lets stop, SANDY it killed more people.,stop the weather...ALL< GET A LIFE.. We elect our leaders let them do something like our VP who shot his friend by mistake (whoops)
Culpsa December 31, 2012 at 04:05 AM
Thanks Journal News! You accomplished nothing but publicity for your paper. Way to pick on people who follow the rules. Public information does not mean "Publish information", but while your at it, please publish my neighbor's and co-worker's tax returns so that I may know who is cheating "Uncle Sam", or better yet, let me know the property taxes of the surrounding properties. Let's publish everything!
Bernie December 31, 2012 at 05:32 AM
Boy, did they open it up. Lets all feel better. have NOTHING to do with the Journal Rag. It took them a long time to catch up with the Globe and Star. As a previous post BOYCOTT. I does feel good. As once said, One small step for readers, one giant leap for Us. It does have a use for training dogs
Smitty Chesterfield December 31, 2012 at 02:09 PM
that's nothing compared to looking at a map. criminals can see the concentration of permits, and what areas are easier to hit. besides, i doubt a lot of gang-bangers are doing online research.
PWT December 31, 2012 at 05:02 PM
Because rifles and shotguns do not require permits homes which have such weapons do not appear on the list. In the interests of fairness The Journal news should immediately establish some means of allowing individuals who own such arms to apply for inclusion on the list. Because the map they have published is in effect a list of locations which criminals will avoid, it is simply wrong to prevent rifle and shotgun owners from listing their properties. Obviously there would be a great many left wing neutered males who would falsely claim to own weapons to insure their homes appeared to be protected. But even if 50 percent of the list were in fact neuts who were unarmed it is doubtful a criminal would want to risk his life to find out if a particular property were in fact protected. Journal News - Open the list to all gun owners now!
amerpatriot December 31, 2012 at 06:14 PM
One can only imagine how many hits their website has had in the last week. Adds up to a lot of dollars - just what they're all about. Selling newspapers, getting internet sales. The Journal News is completely irresponsible. These actions of the newspaper should be considered an act of aggression and an act of terrorism against the public trust, since no good whatsoever could be extrapolated from that outing. Mass hysteria and demonizing American citizens is the work of Al Kaida.
James Adnaraf December 31, 2012 at 06:40 PM
There are lots of public records that the Journal News does not choose to print. Since the Newtown killer was from a divorced family, why not publish divorce information in the Journal News? There are going to be some bitter children resulting from their parents' divorce. Would they not be more of a risk in terms of loosing control? Don't we need to be protected from that risk? The publication of the names, in my view, had as its purpose, to create a form of a scarlet letter relative to gun owners. Yes, it was legal, but no, it does not seem appropriate to me.
Full Truth December 31, 2012 at 07:02 PM
Yes, some of them work for the Jellyfish News.
James Adnaraf December 31, 2012 at 07:02 PM
A friend of mine has a very nice handgun, under lock and key, and a rifle, also safely stored. If you wonder why he has those guns and ask him "what are afraid of?" , his response will be "absolutely nothing".
Full Truth December 31, 2012 at 07:10 PM
You said it! They do.
Full Truth December 31, 2012 at 07:13 PM
Yup! The Jellyfish News hired armed guards. Too funny. Boycott The Journal News and all advertisers.
Full Truth December 31, 2012 at 07:21 PM
Fellow gun owner, you are 100% correct. They should be sued for discrimination. Oh and it's The Jellyfish News now.

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