Patch Comments: 'Shall We Get Rid of the Freedom of the Press ...?'

Putnam County's effort to keep gun permit records from the Journal News, a school district's response to the Sandy Hook shootings, and Hurricane Sandy donation tallies are just some of the topics lighting up the Patch comments boards.

Former County Executive Andrew O'Rourke Dies

"A great man...its a real loss for all of us who knew him" -- Former Councilman James Martorano

"It is too bad that Tim Idoni (Westchester County Clerk) did not protect his constituents from this irresponsible and senseless invasion of privacy." -- newrochellesouth

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"You mean break the law by refusing a freedom of information request on public records? Shall we get rid of the freedom of the press as well to protect middle aged teenagers from being embarrassed by their toys of mass destruction?" -- My Patriotism is Bigger than Your Patriotism

Man Who Bolted From Kisco Meeting to Close Shop

"I thought he was going out of business for the last ten years or so. I have lived in Mount Kisco for 20 year and never stepped in his shop, good guy? bad guy? I don't know, but I will say this, the store is a rented now. Who's really going to rent it now. Can you say Border's, Victoria Secret, Art Emporium, Wine Junction, Dansk, Baskin Robins, Villa Rina, Mount Kisco Kosher, Enzo's..... SURE YA CAN. If we are not careful this town will have more vacancies then the Bates Motel. Dennis A." -- Dennis Adorno

"These charitable donations are wonderful and I am among the many who contributed. I have to say though, after learning about Obama's newly signed fiscal bill, I probably would of thought twice about donating since I'm going to end up paying for this with increased taxes. I wonder if others who donated would do it again knowing that over $30Bn of the fiscal cliff tax hikes (which are supposed to reduce the deficit) are actually earmarked for Hurricane Sandy recovery. What are others thoughts on this." -- dbel6955

School Superintendents Call for Action to Prevent Gun Violence

"Start dealing with the outrageous pensions and health care benefits for educators and perhaps you will find the money to protect our children. Choosing gilt edge pensions and benefit programs over the safety of our kids is disgraceful. The Superintendent has very distorted sense of priorities. Money in the pockets of teachers trumps the lives of our children." -- Watchdog

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"I thought that Dr Morgano's three pronged approach was right on the mark. I have heard that the CPD is very proactive in dealing with potential incidents in our schools." -- Mike Hirsch

"It is utterly absurd that, in a modern rational society, greater restrictions should be placed upon owning a car then upon owning a gun. That, however, is exactly the situation that exists in the United States, thanks to the efforts of the NRA and the gun lobby. My position is that owning a gun should be treated at least as seriously as the operation of a motor vehicle. In order to drive a car you have to have a driver's license, the car must be registered and inspected, and you must maintain insurance. I don't see any rational reason why, in a modern society, owning a firearm should be treated any differently than that. I see absolutely no reason why gun owners should think that is asking too much of them." -- Robert Guttman

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"Owning a car is a privilege in this country. Owning a firearm is a guaranteed right. And, that right shall not be abridged. This "modern rational society" you refer to is less civilized than the society of a hundred years ago. It is child's thinking to believe that criminals would line up to register their weapons, have them inspected, and be responsible for them. I beg of you, sir, do a simple thing - look up the Natl Rifle Assoc in say, Wikipedia or something. You are obviously unfamiliar with the organization you speak of. They are one of the most anti-crime organizations in existence in the world. You should be thankful that they advocate adherence to the greatest law of the land, The Constitution of the United States. Unlike the gun-haters I would add." -- amerpatriot

Should You Know Which Homes Have Guns? [POLL]

"We should not buy the JN. Cancel your subscription or don't buy this Rag." -- The real facts 

tony l January 05, 2013 at 08:54 PM
Get rid of Patch and bring back the real press
Francis T McVetty January 05, 2013 at 09:49 PM
Freedom of the press does NOT include the yelling of fire in a theater. The publishing of those people with gun licensees puts them in danger. To this day the Journal rag has not given an explanation on why they did it. Just because you can is NOT a reason.
Aidan January 06, 2013 at 02:32 AM
Why not this question: "Should we demand the return of common sense and decency?"
HH January 06, 2013 at 01:46 PM
Mr Guttman i paid for a State Class on gun ownership, use, care and safety then went to a state approved range to prove i could handle the weapon safely then i had to go and be fingerprinted..my background checked with the FBI...my doctor and any other medical person who treated me had to be listed on the form for them to check to make sure i was medically fit mentally and physically to carry a weapon...after all that which took a couple of months i got my carry permit...judging by the motorists we see everyday i wonder if they even took a drivers test so dont assume we dont get thoroughly checked....you must know what happens when people ASSUME Mr Guttman....you have the typical uninformed rhetoric of the left.
HH January 06, 2013 at 02:31 PM
beyond what you said McVetty.....the crooks now know who DOESN'T have a weapon in the home the idiots should think about that...if they know i am armed and two doors up probably isn't...i believe they would take the path or least resistance..so that publication was harmful to others as well as gun owners....
Ross Revira January 06, 2013 at 02:31 PM
If "freedom of the press" is an absolute than why can I not falsely shout fire in a crowded theater because I have the right of "free speech" ?
JJ January 06, 2013 at 03:22 PM
“Newspapers are unable, seemingly to discriminate between a bicycle accident and the collapse of civilization” George Bernard Shaw
Joseph J Gannon January 06, 2013 at 03:48 PM
Might I point out that this rather hysterical discussion has been brought on by the gross irresponsdibility of the Journal News and not by licensed gun owners.
Ray Adamick January 06, 2013 at 05:35 PM
Ross, in that case, it's limited free speech!
BooBees January 06, 2013 at 05:38 PM
Without a corrupt press, you could not have corrupt government. The "press" is the main reason this country is going down the crapper in every way. From the old gray lady to this digital rag.
SRT January 06, 2013 at 06:22 PM
HH You didn't actually respond to my Guttman's point. I don't disagree that the tests for drives licenses and enforcement of traffic law could be better but what about the registration, inspection and insurance?
Liz Claire January 06, 2013 at 06:30 PM
Ross, That’s precisely the point. The Supreme Court has long held that the First Amendment right to free speech is NOT absolute. Justice Holmes coined the aphorism prohibiting shouting “fire” in a crowded theater because it presented a clear and present danger the State had an interest in preventing. His sweeping language was later limited in scope in the late 1960s to that speech which was likely to incite imminent lawless action, for example, the trampling of human beings running for the doors of a crowded theater. In the late 1800s, someone yelled fire in a crowded theater in Italy and 73 people died. In all probability, this is what Holmes was alluding to in his saying.
SRT January 06, 2013 at 06:30 PM
Because one is the "press" and one is "speech". Sheesh! A little advice for you Ross "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt"
Francis Goudie January 06, 2013 at 07:33 PM
Repealing the Second Amendment due to the actions of a lounatic in Newtown, CT is like overturning the First Amendment due to an intelllectually suspect editorial, or a cynic shouting "Fire!" in a crowded theater.
bruiser January 06, 2013 at 09:37 PM
I say no we should not take away the freedom of the press,but the press when reporting on a story they should be made to report all the facts and not be biased.
Richard Mendes January 07, 2013 at 12:07 AM
Gotta love it. "My amendment is more important than your amendment." If the Second Amendment gives you an absolute right to own a gun, then why doesn't the First Amendment give a newspaper the right to publish the public record that you own a gun? Don't misunderstand me, I think it was poor judgment to publish names and addresses. Pins could have been located approximately without going that far. But it certainly served to elevate the discussion to a new level.
John Q. Public January 07, 2013 at 01:25 AM
Ross The First Amendment is not absolute, as the Supreme Court has held repeatedly. The Patch itself refuses to publish intelligent commentary on this issue.. why?
NorthCountyHound January 07, 2013 at 01:32 AM
Why not send reporters door to door asking the residents if they have any weapons on the premises. See how that works out for them. Ask the census man how he felt when I put the barrel of MR. Mossberg an inch from his face and asked him if he could read the no tresspasing sign sign in either english or spanish,both of which are clearly posted on my property. he ran so fast he dropped all his census forms on the lawn which I made him clean up at gunpoint as I found his faux pas to be ecologically unsound. He never came back. Very few do.
Richard Mendes January 07, 2013 at 03:51 PM
NorthCountyHound, Article I Section 2 of the Constitution mandates the census. That census taker should have returned with federal marshals and taken you and your gun away. Or do you think it's your privilege to pick the parts of the Constitution you'll obey?
Joseph J Gannon January 07, 2013 at 07:02 PM
Well said, both you and GBS. It would suggest little has changed.
bruiser January 07, 2013 at 08:05 PM
Richard i don't think anybody is knocking a news papers right,but i think you would find if the news printed both sides of the story their readership would rise quite nicely.All the facts need to be presented in order to be able to make an informed decision on any subject matter.
Ross Revira January 08, 2013 at 12:25 AM
@SRT If you can't comprehend the concept of an absolute than there is no point to a discussion but that never stopped you.
Abby Normal January 08, 2013 at 12:57 AM
There's a big difference between poor judgement and constitutional right. Allowing North County Hound to possess any firearm is poor judgement, and although I don't believe his bluster about pointing a gun at the census taker it does point out that he's probably unstable and shouldn't be allowed to have any weapons. Then there's the Journal News publishing the names. It was poor judgement, or was it? They knew there'd be a hue and cry about this but they chose to do it because it brought them to the front page and sales are probably going up faster than they can print the paper.. It will be interesting to see how the Putnam County case comes out. I'm more concerned with a couple of elected officials deciding to break the law than I am about the Journal News exercising their rights. Funny, I don't hear the pro-gun group screaming that the Putnam County Clerk should be prosecuted. Guess it's only the laws they like that they think should be obeyed.
SRT January 08, 2013 at 02:39 PM
Well said Abby, but I am sure that there are many readers here cheering the hound on. Hard to believe that the Patch leaves a comment like that up and removes others. Mendes is right, that census taker had the right and the responsibility to be at Hounds front door. I don't come down on either side of whether Gannett should have put up the map but at least they acted in compliance with existing law unlike several Putnam County Officials.
C Gajowski January 08, 2013 at 03:07 PM
Richard Mendes, you are right about the Constitutional mandate for the Census. And I would think that if people want to represented, they would welcome being counted. For northcountyhound to brag about using a weapon to threaten someone - especially given that this current debate was initiated by angry individuals using similar weapons to kill people - is an example of the sort of thinking that is extremely disturbing, and what would concern neighbors. But only pistol permits are reflected in the public information, an issue which seems to be missed. I too am concerned that public officials believe thay can pick and choose which laws - laws passed by other officials - to enforce and which to obey
John Q. Public January 08, 2013 at 03:15 PM
Abby, The Journal News has become irrelevant. This story was their last gasp attempt to gain an audience. The only reason people buy it is for the comics and the coupons. It is so thin, so insubstantial, so filled with Gannett stories from elsewhere, you have to go to News 12 for any real local news. Every now and again, the Patch does something, but Rasheed is probably overworked and understaffed. He has to be selective.
Francis T McVetty January 09, 2013 at 07:35 PM
Tony I, the "real" press? Are you kidding, what real press? CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, "the New York Themes, the Journal news?
Francis T McVetty January 09, 2013 at 07:47 PM
The "census" has gotten TOO intrusive. There are questions that are asked that have absolutely nothing to do with what was originally intended by the founders. Has anyone, who is on medicare, been to the doctors office lately? Wait till you see the questions you have to answer. The government wants to know TOO much stuff about our PERSONAL lives. Half of the questions have NO medical purposes!!! The questions are more invasive than the actual medical exam.
Harry One March 27, 2013 at 12:15 AM
The JN would publish your medical records free press. PS jhe jn has armed guards at there homes and office


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